Ev’ie. Another broken dream?

If you’re a regular visitor to http://www.aminorjourney.com you’ll know that I’ve ran stories on the Electric Car Corporation and their line of converted Citroen C1s, which they call the C1 “Ev’ie”. It all started back in April, when the Citroen Ev’ie jumped onto the market. The team behind the advertising campaign had used a sign-written petrol-powered car for photo shoots and had omitted to change the number plate. It lead to me speculating if the vehicle even existed. Later on, a test-drive from What Car? appeared, in which the team reviewing it had some issues with acceleration and a battery overheating on the drive. You can watch the video at their website. I’m not the sort of person to give a company a hard time unnecessarily, and felt that perhaps my initial story was a bit hard on ECCPlc, the makers of the Citroen C1 Ev’ie. So, I arranged a trip down to London to test the Ev’ie for myself.

I really wanted the car to blow me away. I so badly wanted the Ev’ie to make me feel all kinds of guilt for being nasty about it in the past without even having driven it. I wanted it to make me love it. But as I quickly found, my relationship with the Ev’ie that wasn’t going to be a plain-sailing one. 

The ECC plc have a showroom just by the entrance to the Park Lane car park in Central London. To reach it you have to enter the off-ramp from Park Lane. I’d driven into London and tried in vain to find a vacant elektrobay to recharge my PHEV without success I ended up parking in the hell-hole of underground parking which is Park Lane car park – leaving me in an ideal position for the ECC’s showroom/office. I met up with Robert Llewlleyn, Confirmed wet liberal and EV advocate amongst other things. He was as interested as I was to have a trip in this smart-looking car and we spent some time glancing over it before going for a ride. Our initial plan was to shoot some video of the ride (more on that later) but first we had a good old nose and a look at what the car had to offer.

 

The battery pack, a full 16kWh of Thundersky Lithium Ion batteries, is split between the front of the car and the area in the back where the fuel tank would be. It’s a clever arrangement and means that there’s no compromising on the car’s luggage space. While the C1 isn’t a big car, that does mean that the Ev’ie has the same 139 litre boot space as it’s internal combustion cousin. Manufacturing of the Ev’ie is still quite small scale. While the ECC have Citroen’s blessing, they buy the car directly from Citroen UK as a fully manufactured petrol car (the model we tested was based on the Citroen C1 VTR) and then rip out the Internal Combustion Engine, replacing it with the electric drivetrain and batteries. It’s a process which is rather labor intensive and did surprise us a little. Obviously, it’s easier for Citroen to supply fully working cars rather than gliders as they don’t have to change any elements of the production line and can also make sure the usual quality control measures can be put into place before the vehicles leave the factory. However, in the past some electric car conversion companies have worked alongside manufacturers to provide a line of ‘gliders’ at a discounted price to the conversion company. These gliders were without all of the accoutrement of a combustion engined vehicle, meaning empty engine bays, no petrol tanks or radiator systems to remove and no wastage. It also meant that the conversion company didn’t waste energy, time and money removing brand new engines from their donor vehicles.

Stranger still, the C1 is based on a vehicle platform jointly developed between Toyota, Citroen and Peugeot, so there is some question as to why the ECC have chosen the C1 as the platform rather than the Toyota Aygo or Peugeot 107 when the vehicle is, trim aside, the same. But then, given Toyota’s current stance toward electric vehicles perhaps it’s not surprising the ECC chose to link with Citroen. Obviously, the guys at the ECC have got the whole engine removal thing down to a fine art. It probably doesn’t take more than a few hours to remove all traces of the Toyota-engineered petrol heritage of the C1 Ev’ie before the process of electrification begins. But in the dark times of a rescission every penny counts. And time is money. Back to the test-drive.

Internally, the Ev’ie looks very much like the regular Citroen C1. As with any C1, the trim doesn’t feel of a particularly high quality but is perfectly in line with any other car of it’s class. In fact, trim is streets ahead of some of the C1’s rivals, such as the VW Fox and VW Polo. Think of the trim level a the Smart Car and you get the idea; Stylish and functional, well finished and is pleasing to the eye. Standard new car features such as electric windows are present too, as are all the features offered on a regular C1. Unlike the G-Wiz, the Ev’ie feels like a real car. It’s the clean lines and little finishing touches inside which remind you that no compromise has been made in the comfort of the passengers and this is a car powered by electricity, not a quadricycle. Rather than get all the camera gear out, we decided to test-drive the Ev’ie first, to get an idea of how the car performed and to concentrate on the experience of driving this new kid on the block. On pulling out from the parking spot things started to rapidly go south. The little C1 Ev’ie’s battery meter (a Curtis Instrument battery gauge placed in the pod once occupied by the rev counter) told me quite confidently that I had close to 100% full charge. Great. Lots of power and the promise of up to 65 miles of range. Not quite.

The gear box, which is the original Citroen one that came with the car, is locked on the Ev’ie into a single gear ratio, negating the need for the horribly touchy and high-bite point clutch the petrol C1 has. To be frank I was initially very glad that the ECC team have decided to do away with the clutch and lock the gear ration down – but as I soon discovered, this particular Ev’ie was struggling to put power down to the road. Almost instantly I became aware of a very sluggish start. The Ev’ie did not respond immediately to the demands of my right foot and climbing out of the inclined parking garage entrance I found that the Ev’ie required me to plant the accelerator flat to the floor to make any progress at all. Even then, we struggled to climb the incline at anything above 10 mph. Granted, there were three people on board but the Ev’ie is classed as four-seat car. That means, in my limited understanding, that it should be able to carry at least three people, since three is one less than four. Richard Turnbull, our ECC accompanist on the trip, mentioned that the slope was rather steep, but having seen Gwizes and MEGA city NiceCars climb up the slope I wasn’t particularly impressed. Merging with the traffic at the top of the ramp onto a (thankfully) clear Park Lane enabled me to accelerate up to a moderate 25 mph before hitting the Marble Arch junction. Negotiating buses and taxis the Ev’ie still seemed a bit sluggish and I made comment that perhaps the acceleration parameters of the car needed changing to allow for a speedier start in busy city traffic.

Our route took us north of Hyde Park, towards the A40 Westway. The Ev’ie during this time kept up with the traffic, although every stoplight preceded an increasingly painful pull-away. I’m told by those in the know that the Ev’ie has a specified 0-30 time of under two seconds, but in my experience this figure was closer to ten or maybe even eleven. I started to stay left, nervous about using the faster lane. Pulling onto the A40 Westway, the road slope helped the Ev’ie to creep up to 40 mph. Spurred on by Richard and with Robert egging me on too, I pushed the Ev’ie’s speedo up to 50mph and started to relax. At these speeds the Ev’ie felt secure and stable. Steering was responsive and the regenerative coasting was subtle, allowing me to pulse and glide the accelerator as we overtook a series of vehicles before pulling off the A40 to turn back towards Mayfair. And that’s when it happened. The roundabout at the bottom of the A40 just before White City had a set of red lights. Pulling away from them to loop back up the eastbound carriageway, we all noticed the car seemed markedly slower. Robert even inquired if I had my foot to the floor, to which he received an annoyed “Yes!”. The car was truly “giving me all she’s got, Captain”.

By this point, we’d started to wonder if the car was overheating. Richard confidently informed me that he’s never seen anything like that happen before, but as we pulled back onto the eastbound carriageway the car’s acceleration started to slow down and flat out, we were struggling to reach 30 mph. By this point the test drive had ceased to be fun and was starting to become worrying. We were on one of London’s busiest roads in an electric car which was threatening to give up the ghost. It was truly unwell. Pulling off the Westway we tried to nurse the car back to the Park Lane garage but progress started to become glacial. Taxicabs and annoyed commuters started to beep in fury and we pulled into a convenient parking lot. The Ev’ie stopped. Stone dead. “It’s probably overheated” Richard said, hopefully. “I’ve never seen this happen before”. We decided by chorus, to wait a few minutes for the car to cool down, although we had no way of telling if the car had in fact overheated as there was no visual indication that the car was ill from the inside. The dash confidently informed us we had at least 95% charge remaining. That should have got us at least 50 more miles. Hah.

I volunteered RobertRobert Volunteered to have a go at driving, since he’d been teasing me about having a heavy right foot. But when he turned the key and pressed the foot to the floor it became apparent that my driving style wasn’t the cause of the problem. Limping back under what I would anticipate to be about half-speed, we made painful progress a hundred yards or so up the road. And then the Ev’ie died again. On a busy intersection. Getting out, Richard and I pushed Robert to a safe place at the side of the road. The beeping of frustrated taxi-cabs becoming shockingly frequent. It was almost like being in New York for a moment. With another break, this time for a full five minutes, we stood at the side of the road and cogitated on the design of the Ev’ie. It’s a nice looking vehicle, but by that point we were starting to wonder if it was ready for the market. Sure, it had style and about twice the space of a GWiz in a diminutive frame, but if driving it meant fearing you’d break down all the time then something wasn’t right. Getting back in, Richard embarrassingly and apologetically coaxed the Ev’ie back to the top of Marble Arch. Perhaps Robert and I were missing the zen-like qualities the car obviously needed in it’s drivers. And then the car stopped. With about as much will reluctance as a cat being bathed, the Ev’ie stopped. Right there, in the right-hand lane of the Marble Arch roundabout. We were going no-where. Richard had managed to persuade the car to sit on the hatched area between lanes, but the car wouldn’t budge. Something, somewhere, was not happy. Robert and I agreed to get out and enjoyed a pleasant walk back to the ECC center, Park Lane car park and my Prius.

As we pulled out of the carpark and onto Park Lane in my Prius’ EV mode, we both commented that the acceleration the Prius exibited was more in the oh-so-restricted Toyota EV mode than the Ev’ie had shown in the entire eventful seven mile trip. So, is the Ev’ie any good? In my test drive, NO. The idea is sound, the company seems genuinely focused on the electric vehicle’s cause and certainly talks the talk. But if yesterday’s little outing is anything to go by then the company needs to spend some serious time looking at reliability issues before it goes any further demonstrating the vehicles to the public. I was told by Richard that it was an event he’d never experienced before, but when I got home I checked online. What Car? seem to have had a similar experience to us – all be it with a prototype of the Ev’ie. We certainly didn’t drive the same car as the What Car? team (ours was blue) but it certainly seems like our two experiences are scarily similar, pointing perhaps to a design flaw?

It should be said, however, that the Birmingham Post took an Ev’ie for a spin around Birmingham and had no issues – driving it for many many miles and reaching motorway speeds. I only wish that our experience had been half the fun that Ed Stephens, the motoring correspondent for the Birmingham Post had. But it wasn’t.

With two bad test-drives now under it’s belt the ECC needs to pull it’s finger out. I got an email later on that day from Richard, letting me know that as yet, they hadn’t found any issues with the car and had completed a 20 mile trip after Robert and I had left in the same car we’d been having so much trouble with. He did tell me that the car was going to be taken back to their workshop for further troubleshooting but that at the moment it did look as if

“…the initial outcome is that potentially the car was driven too aggressively and over heated…”

 

If that’s true, then I can safely say, hand on heart, that I don’t think we were at all aggressive with the car (the problems started with the drive out of the car park) because we didn’t even have a chance to be aggressive with it. If the Ev’ie can overheat and stop functioning on a Sunny London day, with three occupants and an outside temperature of around 25 degrees Celsius then there’s something seriously wrong with the vehicles. The verdict? At the moment the Ev’ie looks great, but (based on my experiences) doesn’t have the meat and two veg it needs to survive as a commuter car or a small family car. In fact, in the configuration I experienced it was a vehicle bordering on the dangerous. A vehicle which perpetuates the negativity the mainstream media has towards electric vehicles. As an EV advocate I desperately want the Ev’ie to succeed – but unless the events of yesterday’s test drive are a freak incident I have little faith in the company. Because I’m an EV nut and desperately want to give the Ev’ie a shining review (I’m still hopeful that I’m going to get a more positive drive to remember out of this cute vehicle) I’ve agreed to return to London at some point in the future and do another test drive which hopefully will be recorded. I really hope I’m not disappointed. Watch this space. And cross your fingers.

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  1. Not good news, is it? There are quite a few people out there who have owned G-Wiz's in the past – or own one now – and who would like to upgrade to something bigger, with the capability of carrying a growing family and their luggage. The C1 Ev'ie is the sort of car that will get a lot of interest from these people. But launching a car that quite simply is not ready for market is unacceptable. Unfortunately, they are not the only electric vehicle manufacturer doing that at the moment – another vehicle manufacturer is launching a van at the moment that is quite simply not ready for market. These companies are not just doing their own reputation a lot of harm, they're damaging the reputation of the entire industry.

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  5. I loved the lines: "With about as much will reluctance as a cat being bathed, the Ev’ie stopped." and, "…but progress started to become glacial.". Very interesting and yet a sad article. Well written, good job Nikki. And you got to meet Robert Llleelllwyellelwyellnn, or sommingornuffink.

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  6. Hi! I'm really a rookie in all this electric car's stuff, but come on, how can we start judging this electric conversion pointing that the car has room for 4, and in the ride only 3 were inside, so the car is not up to the task… So, and the cargo capacity in the boot, that count too, and in the roof? Come on, this car conversion is -just- taking from the shelf an existing car (that never was designed to be an electric car) and then we get what we can… What about talking in Nürburgring lap times… anyone? last but not least: "trim is streets ahead of some of the C1’s rivals, such as the VW Fox and VW Polo" really? So, it's said… does you really know anything about what you talk about? Just this: I`m engineer in Toyota Motor Corporation in their headquarters in Japan, so I know, at least, a few bits, and I`m not blind…

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  7. I agree don't knock this car. I recently test drove the EV'ie from ECC and it ran so well, especially compared to the competition. Drove close to 45 miles before I went back including the A40 where I managed 60 but 55mph was more comfortable for the car. If the governmen grant was available now i would have ordered one on the day because i was so impressed. Think you were unlucky and hope you go back and have a good experience like i did.

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  8. Blomdar, I did say in the review that I'm hoping to return and try the vehicle again. I really do hope that my experiences yesterday weren't indicative of the car and really do believe that it was a freak incident.

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  9. Hi verdict. My aim, when reporting about cars, is to give a realistic representation of what happened when I drove it. And yes, I do try to inject a bit of my own style. I'm sorry if you didn't like it. As for Nürburgring times – how does this help someone looking for a city runabout? Do they really care how fast the car got around a course they'll never drive themselves, or perform in a race situation? No. They want to know if it's reliable, well-priced and what living with the car will be like. Things like trim finish, in-car features and luggage space are probably more important on a daily basis than how fast it goes around a race-track. Perhaps we can agree to disagree. Jeremy Clarkson appears to be the kind of reviewer you may prefer. I'm not him! Nikki.

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  10. Hi Nikki, I read your report on the EVie with some dismay . How did they manage to get it all so wrong . When the car was released in April we were told that the management team of this company comprised of veterans from the automobile industry and this was the car that was going to change the conceptions and negitivity held by the great british public towards the electric car ! Alas it was not to be , sounds like the car has throughly under engineered using as it does the existing gearbox from the C1 and not a dedicated final drive unit which would have added some extra cost . Anyone who knows anything about conventional gearboxes will tell you that locking a box in one gear and then driving it around all day is going to result in fairly rapid failure , and also a lot more heat and noise , the exception to this is those older type boxes with fewer shifts and wider ratios and of course the Smart Car which has a totally different construction more in keeping with a motorcycle gearbox ! Well another great british dream dissolved , but I am happy to tell you that I drove the MiEv and the all electric Fiat 500 a couple of months ago in Monaco and both cars performed perfectly, particularly the MiEv which is just so well engineered and stands the chance of being available at an affordable price !

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    • I’m with Cowboy Bill on this one They’re awful. The auto gearbox is hlseoeps, the engine is pitiful, the handling borders on frightening, there’s only 2 seats and practically no boot space.Plus, they were designed to be parked head-on to the kerb, so you could get them in a small space but I’ve not once seen one that hasn’t been occupying an entire parking space to itself ..

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  11. Hi Nikki, I read your report on the EVie with some dismay . How did they manage to get it all so wrong ? When the car was released in April we were told that the management team of this company comprised of veterans from the automobile industry and this was the car that was going to change the conceptions and negitivity held by the great british public towards the electric car ! Alas it was not to be , sounds like the car has throughly under engineered using as it does the existing gearbox from the C1 and not a dedicated final drive unit which would have added some extra cost . Anyone who knows anything about conventional gearboxes will tell you that locking a box in one gear and then driving it around all day is going to result in fairly rapid failure , and also a lot more heat and noise , the exception to this is those older type boxes with fewer shifts and wider ratios and of course the Smart Car which has a totally different construction more in keeping with a motorcycle gearbox ! Well another great british dream dissolved , but I am happy to tell you that I drove the MiEv and the all electric Fiat 500 a couple of months ago in Monaco and both cars performed perfectly, particularly the MiEv which is just so well engineered and stands the chance of being available at an affordable price !

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  13. Hmm, I think the main problem is the fixed, relatively high gear and relatively low power (30kw – 40HP, according to Wikipedia, continuous Vs peak, I assume) motor. With one adult it is probably a fairly good proposition. With 3 adults, plus the 4th rather heavy invisible adult that is the extra weight added due to the lithium cells after subtracting the removed ICE & ancillary components, the motor – stuck in 3rd – just can't cope. Personally, I'd have been doing a bit of poking around under the bonnet (and in the boot) to see what – if anything – was over heating. (Isn't there any instrumentation for this?). I suspect the controller throttled down the motor power due to the motor and/or controller over heating. Solution?… ditch the passengers, install active cooling (air blowers or circulated water) or put the clutch back in and have the full range of gears available if needed. If your on your own, just leave it in 3rd. (cont…)

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  14. (… Cont) The price is a bit of a turn off. Interestingly though, I see that the price of the lithium batteries used in this machine (ThunderSky) has fallen by nigh on 50% in the last year. It seems reasonable to assume that the fall will continue as more and more manufacturers across the globe ramp up Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) cell production and conceivably it wont be more than a few years before the electric car will be as cheap to manufacture as the ICE version. Cheaper even. ICE engine – 150 moving parts… AC Electric motor – 1 moving part and a quarter of the size. Add to that the improvements in the chemistry that promise 5 minute re-charge and even the range issue pretty much disappears. Of course Better Place (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Place)” target=”_blank”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Place) will have us all battery swapping instead of charging on long trips. But my favourite solution for range is… bring back Motorail!! MW

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  15. Nikki – Thanks for posting this.. From Foggy California It has been nigh impossible to learn more about the availability of the C-1 in France before I travel there. Now I understand.. too bad but nothing that can't be fixed,oops, re-engineered. My EV still has original ICE gears & yes, they are problematic, especially up long inclines at freeways speeds. Problem is I am not willing to take it off the road long enough to replace the trannie!

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  16. Would you Please contact me directly, off blog? Nikki has my email address – thanx KO

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  17. I drove the ev'ie on a test drive a week or so ago and was thoroughly impressed. There were no problems such as those you mentioned Nikki and I hope that it is a one off problem on that car as I have put in an order on one. I hope when you have your next test drive you will see that this is the EV to bring electric motoring to London big time.

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  18. What a toxic attitude… You should show this review to any other EV company PRIOR to asking for a test drive and see what reaction you get. If you could comprehend the spec sheet before parking your but in it, you would've known what to expect. I don't read ANYWHERE in your review any reference to what gearing it's running (final drive + what gear it's in), the EV motors power output of torque rating or even the source of these components … just a lot of negative attitude about a vehicle that obviously had a fault. (as if ICE cars don't break down on a weekly basis) Your diagnostic skills have proved to be absolutely useless (are trying to blame the battery meter or the batteries themselves?) What is the point in having a bitchfest about a fault? You aren't Clarkson for Christ sake! For an EV “nut” you're an EV companies worst nightmare… a big mouth technically illiterate female who is so stupid she doesn't know how stupid she really is. Go and start your own Ev company if you think you can do better!

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  19. Paul, I'm sorry you feel my reviewing skills aren't up to scratch. But at the end of the day, any car which is open for a test-drive needs to be in good condition. Poor test-drives lead to less sales. Any vehicle, whatever it's powered by, needs to be good on the day of a test-drive. And yes, I don't deal with much in the way of technical jargon because most people out there are more interested in how a vehicle drives and feels than what's under the hood. I'd also like to point out that as someone who has worked on her own cars for many years, both petrol based, electric and plug in hybrid, I'm not all that technically literate. Perhaps you should read my profile and about some of the EVs and PHEVs I've worked on. Essentially at the end of the day the vehicle overheated. It should not have done. I've since chatted to the ECC who have agreed to let me back to do another test drive at a future date – One which I hope to video and one which I hope will help equalise the negative review I gave it. The car's concept is wonderful. The price is a bit high. The engineering couldn't be reviewed on the day because it failed. That failure, when given to anyone wanting to test-drive a car, would be one which made them walk away and never try the car again. Please go and troll elsewhere.

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  20. Paul, What is toxic about an honest view of the car (as it performed on the day)? It didn't work, it is expensive and I wouldn't feel safe driving it.

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    • No it is not a good car for a teen. It’s tiny, it holds two people and nhtiong else and you can buy a Toyota Corolla that gets just as good gas mileage and you get a back seat and a real trunk.It’s a toy for rich people.

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  21. If we want EVs to be taken seriously, we have to judge them by the same standards as ICE-powered cars. EVs have a terrible reputation to get over. It's for that reason that Tesla chose a high-performance sports car as their first model. It's not at all fair to say, as Paul does above, that ICE cars break down on a weekly basis. Modern combustion engine cars are very, very reliable, with mean time between failures of several thousands of hours. If EVs are to be taken seriously, they *must* achieve similar reliability. In terms of reliability, what fixed gear it was in or what the torque output of the motor was is neither here nor there. Do we give the car handicap points as a result of this information? I own a G-Wiz and a Prius. I'm desperate for someone to come out with a "real", fully electric car. So far all the news seems to be full of excuses instead of advances.

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  22. Paul, You might like to check your facts. Nikki received an email from the company indicating that the company's own engineers had examined the vehicle and not found a fault. If the experts on the car couldn't find a fault, how should Nikki be expected to? Further, details on the car's gearing or the source for individual components has little importance when you are pushing a car off a roundabout. Lastly, please drop the hate and leave your sexism at the door.

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  23. Paul, you're out of your depth in this century where women can drive cars, be managers and write honest, truthful articles. You need a Delorean DMC12 with a Flux Capacitor, not an EV, so you can feel at home in 1955. As you can see, you're a minority in your view that the article should have glossed over the breakdown. What kind of reporter would make things up about an EV? Jeremy Clarkson springs to mind. The majority here feels the review was accurate and detailed and as Nikki mentioned, she'd be more than happy to write another article if given a succesful test drive in the future.

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  24. David Martell June 4, 2009 — 2:56 pm

    Just a brief note to confirm the conversation with Nikki. The car used for this drive was a very early ev'ie and we are now aware under certain urban condition (heavy stop-start etc) this particular car can experience a power cut back automatically impossed by our electronics and caused by the electric motor exceeding the design temperature characteristics. All production cars have a different electric motor with enhanced cooling and do not suffer from this problem. I have apologised to Nikki that we gave her this particular car. This should not have happened. We have promised Nikki a production example of the ev'ie in the near future for her to try. For information I use a production ev'ie for regular commuting between my home in Hertfordshire and our offices in Park Lane (35 miles each way) and have never experienced this power cut back or any other technical problem. David Martell , The Electric Car Corporation Plc

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  25. Hi Niki I test drove the Ev'ie yesterday and had no problems with it , in fact I thought it was that good I put in a order for one,can't wait to take delivery. I think as you say your test drive must have been a freak incident.

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  26. A very good review: if rather worrying. As others have said the bad publicity damages the whole EV cause.I suspect that the car you drove had one or more bad cells. If the BMS knows it’s job, it would cut down the power available once the voltage of any one of the cells dropped below a preset value. If the rest of the pack was good, you could still be seeing a "whole pack" voltage close to maximum. A friend who uses Thunder Sky batteries in a conversion periodically checks the voltage of each cell individually under a high (30 Amp +) load to detect bad cells. This ought to be on the maintenance schedule of a Li Ion powered car.

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  27. Nikki Bloomfield June 22, 2009 — 8:08 pm

    John, I agree. I owned a lithium Ion powered City El, using similar batteries to the Ev’ie (just smaller capacity). The BMS system I used backed off the power immediately if there were battery issues, as I wired in a control cable pair to the car’s throttle potentiometer. I would hope that any long term commercial EV would work hard to keep the batteries in check without the owner/driver doing anything unusual. Nikki.

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    • From my experience as sirceve Manager with Hyundai Dealer since 2001, I can tell you that Accent it is the most reliable vehicle I have seen on the market. Low maintenance costs, the car with virtually no recalls, low in fuel consumption and high mileage drivenI have seen 95 Accents with over 220 miles and minimal repairs spending.From 95 since Hyundai brought Accent to American continent, it had only 4 minor recalls and 1 major (suspension related). Compare this to any other model and you will see the difference.Look at maintenance: do a tune-up-it will cost you up to $120. Compare with an expensive car like Toyota, Lexus, or any other one, not to mention V6 engine starting at least $250 to begin with.Only one advise: considering is an ex-rental, get someone to check the car bumper to bumper. Just in case Good luck with your decision.

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  28. Good that I found these infos before I bought one of the vehicles that were sold to germany two years ago.
    The 3 cars that are for sale right now, have 1.500 to 4.600 kilometers only, for an price of 8.500 to 8900 €. Sorry that I can not find positive experiences somwhere…
    Hans aus RÜD

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